Eating Animals

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A discussion started in the comments section of the previous post, and I decided the topic deserved a post of its own. So, if some of this doesn’t quite make sense, check out the comments from the last entry.

First off, yes, there are many people in this country who hunt for survival. Either they are too poor to afford good food for their families, or they choose to live a more natural hunter/farmer/gatherer lifestyle.

I believe that being a vegetarian or a vegan can be a fabulous choice. I also believe that being an omnivore can be an equally fabulous choice. Notice I say, “can be.” Either way, it all depends on the choices you make everyday. Are you a vegetarian who eats a lot of packaged food? Do you buy fruits shipped from thousands of miles away? Are the potatoes you’re eating sprayed with tons of chemicals? What damage are you causing to the global environment, the plants, animals, and people on a global scale by your choices? Is that damage less than a person who either hunts/farms or who buys locally grown, organic meat and produce merely because you are not directly consuming the flesh of an animal?

I believe that the person who grows/gathers/hunts her own food and the person who buys their food from organically grown, local growers/gatherers/hunters are pretty much at the top of the environmental, ethical, and health wagon. Perhaps at the very tippy top of that group are those who are also vegans, but honestly being a vegan in one of these two categories would be rather difficult. As for vegetarians who are in one of these categories…well, animals are still being eaten out there as the byproducts of the vegetarians’ eggs, milk, and cheese, so I don’t really see the difference between them and the omnivores.

Not everyone can grow/hunt/gather/buy local organic. Andy and I don’t quite a lot of the time. A big issue is cost: I could spend $5 on this local, organic butter, or I could get this crappy butter for $1. We’re kind of broke right now, so crappy butter it is. Another issue is availability. If you live in a city, you probably can’t hunt anything but pigeons, can’t have livestock, and may only have room to grow a pot of herbs. You can still probably find a farmers’ market or local produce stand, though.

I believe that if you are going to shop in the current “American” style and buy most of your food at a typical grocery store, not choosing meat is better environmentally, ethically, and health-ily.

These are my beliefs. We aren’t currently living them, though. We buy most of our food right now at Kroger, including meat. For us it’s partially cost and partially convenience. No farmers’ markets in the winter. Store that sells more local items is a 40+ minute roundtrip drive out of our way. We hope over time to change this as we get our garden in and perhaps start milking the sheep and raising broiler chickens (and maybe start hunting).

However…even when we are grow/hunt/gather/buy local organic–ing most of our food, we will still be killing animals. Even if we decided not to consume meat and just ate eggs and drank milk from our farm animals, we would still have to kill (or sell to be killed) animals.

Eggs: For every female duck / chicken kept for eggs, there is a male bird who is not needed. It is not economical to keep that male bird alive for no reason. Furthermore, most birds stop laying productively after only a year or two. Again, it is not economical to keep those birds alive if they aren’t producing. Not only is it not economical (having to pay for feed and getting nothing in return), it is not physically feasible as eventually you’d have hundreds of birds to house and tend to. Therefor, these birds most usually end up on the dinner plate. We will not be eating our ducks ever because they are quasi-pets (but who knows what happened to their brothers who were hatched out so we could get enough females for our order). If we decide to try and sell eggs at market, though, we would have to cull the flocks.

Milk: Again, for every female goat/sheep/cow used for milk, there is a corresponding male animal that is unnecessary. Also, for an animal to produce milk, she must be bred (I believe once a year?). If there is no market for the resulting offspring, they are also not needed.

It’s nice to think about never having to kill anything to survive, but that’s not how life works and we all know it. You can live in the sanitized world of a city and pretend that eating your soy burger is perfectly harmless, but how did that soy burger get to your plate? How much petroleum, packaging, and chemical fertilizers/pesticides were involved? What effect have those things had on other living things like cute, fuzzy deer?

Finally, when it comes down to the very basics…deer are prey animals.

Humans are hunter (and gatherer/grower) animals.

It’s nature. It’s the way things were made to be.

You don’t have to eat deer or any animal if it feels wrong to you. But to flat-out condemn eating meat and/or hunting is to be ignorant of the larger issues.

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3 thoughts on “Eating Animals

  1. Wow, you’ve convinced me! I’m off to grab a steak knife and get me a few cats.

    Nah, if your diet is such that you need meat to stay alive and healthy, then unfortunately that’s what you have to do. I just think if you can get by at all without meat, that’s nicer.

    We all make some footprint on the world; I’m well aware of the effects of packaging & transport etc,

    I’m just not convinced they have as direct an impact on other animals as a bullet to the head. Didn’t know

    so much about the milk & eggs issue though; -all- milk & eggs are produced in this way? Shit, no more omelettes for me thanks.

    Okay if I was on a desert island starving to death with only a herd of bunnies nearby, I’d have to kill & eat them as a last resort to stay alive (in between keeping the signal fire going). I wouldn’t be happy about it, but it’s a survival situation. At all other times however, I’m fine with a baked potato n beans thanks.

    > Finally, when it comes down to the very basics…deer are prey
    > animals. Humans are hunter (and gatherer/grower) animals.
    I can’t tell the difference myself. If deer had guns, now that’s a thought….

    >It’s nature. It’s the way things were made to be.
    Killing for survival, yeah. Gleefully picking up a gun at the slightest provocation, I’m not so sure about.

    >to flat-out condemn eating meat and/or hunting
    I’m not, see above.

    >is to be ignorant of the larger issues.
    Nice touch, I love you too!

    Anyway, that’s my view on it; if you broadcast to the world how great it’d be to shoot deer then it’s bound to cause some reply, but it’s your blog!

  2. I am one of those people who rely on deer meat to stock my freezer. And a lot of my family back up north do as well. A few deer shot during regulated hunting season, supplies the families enough meat for the whole winter and beyond. When people have budget issues, and can’t afford to buy meat, hunting for that purpose is totally different than people who hunt just to say, “Ha I killed this or that! Look how great I am!” Hunting isn’t always a sport, it can and is a matter of survival for many.

    I have never been a vegetarian, I don’t care if someone else is. Every person is entitled to their own beliefs, be it to eat meat or not. And regardless of what the issue is, people are going to disagree and feel their opinion is absolutely perfect and the other is absolutely wrong.

    I’m nowhere near as eloquent as I’d like to be on this, but really, it’s all up to the individual. I try to live a simple life, and not get all invloved with impact this, and politics that. I just want to exist, and that’s about it. Naive? Maybe. But I’m the one who has to deal with the ramifications.

    Meh, I’m shutting up now.

  3. Well-written, Cabol.

    I’m not a big fan of hunting, never have been, though I have softened myself in recent years, and maybe even more so now since I’ve moved to Montana where hunting is near religion. I agree with Ganya, I have come to learn that there are many for whom a deer or two makes a big difference, and I am totally disgusted by the “killing for sport” crowd. I see a lot of stuffed animals around here (including a taxidermist in every town) and it just turns my stomach. But when I first met Beau in person, he was going through a very tough time (recent divorce, new residence, big bills, etc.) and he was completely broke. That deer meat in his freezer may not be dramatically claimed as a “life-saver,” but it sure was a big deal for him at the time. (note: his deer meat was supplied by a friend)

    I myself will never go hunting, and I hope Beau will never get the urge to go again (though I do encourage the fly fishing!), but I am less willing to rapid-fire judge those who do. Also, after living in New Zealand, I learned about a lot of the damage deer do, not only their annoyance to local farmers, but to other species (one native NZ species was almost wiped out, because the introduced deer ate all its food supply). There’s also the lovely problem of lyme disease *squirm* Okay, I’m going on and on too much, but that’s my ten, twenty, thirty cents.

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