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		<title>By: Ysol</title>
		<link>https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/?p=132#comment-256</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blimey, by your argument we should turn the starving millions of Africa into pies. If I was starving, I&#039;d rather stay alive as long as possible in the hope of finding some food thanks, not fall victim to some well-fed nutcases with guns.

It&#039;s not as if you&#039;re gonna die of starvation.... it&#039;s not a survival kill-or-be-killed situation. There&#039;s shops down the road selling food (I didn&#039;t say anything about buying -meat- previously). Heck, you got a farm now, it&#039;s a perfect opportunity to grow your own. You got eggs, there&#039;s protein in eggs. Goat milk! 

If it was free potatoes growing etc, no problem, u die if you don&#039;t eat veg, but deer are thingies with minds and emotions, they get scared, and u don&#039;t have to kill em... it&#039;s a bit different, very sad, and more than a bit weird. Over here, hunting is seen by most as spooky weird stuff nutcases do; in part cos it&#039;s not done for survival. And neither is it over there by the sound of it.

Like I said, put yourself in the deer&#039;s place. No matter if you were hungry or not, I&#039;m sure you wouldn&#039;t wanna be shot... especially if the shooter could just go to the shops and buy a nice yam instead.

PS: &quot;pip pip&quot;?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey, by your argument we should turn the starving millions of Africa into pies. If I was starving, I&#8217;d rather stay alive as long as possible in the hope of finding some food thanks, not fall victim to some well-fed nutcases with guns.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if you&#8217;re gonna die of starvation&#8230;. it&#8217;s not a survival kill-or-be-killed situation. There&#8217;s shops down the road selling food (I didn&#8217;t say anything about buying -meat- previously). Heck, you got a farm now, it&#8217;s a perfect opportunity to grow your own. You got eggs, there&#8217;s protein in eggs. Goat milk! </p>
<p>If it was free potatoes growing etc, no problem, u die if you don&#8217;t eat veg, but deer are thingies with minds and emotions, they get scared, and u don&#8217;t have to kill em&#8230; it&#8217;s a bit different, very sad, and more than a bit weird. Over here, hunting is seen by most as spooky weird stuff nutcases do; in part cos it&#8217;s not done for survival. And neither is it over there by the sound of it.</p>
<p>Like I said, put yourself in the deer&#8217;s place. No matter if you were hungry or not, I&#8217;m sure you wouldn&#8217;t wanna be shot&#8230; especially if the shooter could just go to the shops and buy a nice yam instead.</p>
<p>PS: &#8220;pip pip&#8221;?!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/?p=132#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps in England there isn&#039;t as large a population of deer as in the US - maybe there are enough that the local predators keep things in check (er, are there predators in England anymore?).  In this country, the deer evolved in part to satisfy the next tier up in the food chain.  Unfortunately, we have managed to knock off most of those predators, because they traditionally had a nasty habit of also eating our domesticated animals (what you get when you have &quot;gone to the shops&quot;) or us.  The end result is an overpopulation of deer, since they breed like, well, deer.  As it is, not enough people hunt anymore to compensate for the lack of predators, which is why we end up with many deer-automobile accidents, and starvation when populations get out of contol.  And this country is no longer designed to support a large predator population, nor is it feasible to start spaying entire deer herds.  The humane solution is to try and cull the herds as best we can, since we are left at the top of the food chain.

I grew up in a community where many people hunt.  I live in such a community now.  And while I&#039;m not saying hunters don&#039;t enjoy it, everyone I know uses the meat to feed their families.  Or their friends.  Or donate it to organizations that redistribute it to the poor.  And I like to think that every little bit of game that is consumed means the factory farms that provide our store-bought food are supported just a tiny bit less

Perhaps things are different in England, where going hunting is thought of more as a holiday event (&#039;Pip pip, let&#039;s do us a bit of stalking, then get out the hounds for a run after the fox, then maybe a nip down to the dark continent for a bit of a safari!&#039;).  Perhaps there, hunting is done just for laughs.

And, let&#039;s be honest, if I&#039;m given the choice of starving slowly to death because my city is too full, or having someone come by, shoot me in the head, and having a bbq party with my remains, I think I&#039;d choose the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps in England there isn&#8217;t as large a population of deer as in the US &#8211; maybe there are enough that the local predators keep things in check (er, are there predators in England anymore?).  In this country, the deer evolved in part to satisfy the next tier up in the food chain.  Unfortunately, we have managed to knock off most of those predators, because they traditionally had a nasty habit of also eating our domesticated animals (what you get when you have &#8220;gone to the shops&#8221;) or us.  The end result is an overpopulation of deer, since they breed like, well, deer.  As it is, not enough people hunt anymore to compensate for the lack of predators, which is why we end up with many deer-automobile accidents, and starvation when populations get out of contol.  And this country is no longer designed to support a large predator population, nor is it feasible to start spaying entire deer herds.  The humane solution is to try and cull the herds as best we can, since we are left at the top of the food chain.</p>
<p>I grew up in a community where many people hunt.  I live in such a community now.  And while I&#8217;m not saying hunters don&#8217;t enjoy it, everyone I know uses the meat to feed their families.  Or their friends.  Or donate it to organizations that redistribute it to the poor.  And I like to think that every little bit of game that is consumed means the factory farms that provide our store-bought food are supported just a tiny bit less</p>
<p>Perhaps things are different in England, where going hunting is thought of more as a holiday event (&#8216;Pip pip, let&#8217;s do us a bit of stalking, then get out the hounds for a run after the fox, then maybe a nip down to the dark continent for a bit of a safari!&#8217;).  Perhaps there, hunting is done just for laughs.</p>
<p>And, let&#8217;s be honest, if I&#8217;m given the choice of starving slowly to death because my city is too full, or having someone come by, shoot me in the head, and having a bbq party with my remains, I think I&#8217;d choose the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ysol</title>
		<link>https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/?p=132#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ysol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah that doesn&#039;t make sense; this isn&#039;t war or even survival, it&#039;s just shooting &amp; eating someone for laffs &amp; being &quot;one with nature&quot;, when you could have just gone to the shops instead, and the deer could still be happy (&amp; bowling/watching TV etc).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah that doesn&#8217;t make sense; this isn&#8217;t war or even survival, it&#8217;s just shooting &#038; eating someone for laffs &#038; being &#8220;one with nature&#8221;, when you could have just gone to the shops instead, and the deer could still be happy (&#038; bowling/watching TV etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Cabol</title>
		<link>https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/?p=132#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cabol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t have lions, we have war. Serves a similar purpose, but the meat is wasted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t have lions, we have war. Serves a similar purpose, but the meat is wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ysol</title>
		<link>https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/?p=132#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ysol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There are so many of them; they need some predators&quot;
&quot;They have a good life, and then hunters kill them and eat them.&quot;

Bollocks, I bet you wouldn&#039;t like some other species saying that about you!

  &quot;You&#039;re having your lungs tugged out by a lion! Need
   any help?&quot;
  &quot;No thanks, I need some predators!&quot;

or

  &quot;Well, you&#039;re 40, fit and healthy. Just step into  
   this little room...&quot;

Still, the ducka are happy! Yay for ducks! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are so many of them; they need some predators&#8221;<br />
&#8220;They have a good life, and then hunters kill them and eat them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bollocks, I bet you wouldn&#8217;t like some other species saying that about you!</p>
<p>  &#8220;You&#8217;re having your lungs tugged out by a lion! Need<br />
   any help?&#8221;<br />
  &#8220;No thanks, I need some predators!&#8221;</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>  &#8220;Well, you&#8217;re 40, fit and healthy. Just step into<br />
   this little room&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Still, the ducka are happy! Yay for ducks! <img src="https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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		<title>By: Jen/Ganya</title>
		<link>https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/?p=132#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen/Ganya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn my computer....I had a nice comment typed up, but my stupid computer ate it.  SO instead, I&#039;ll just say, lovely picture of Pumpernickel...so adorable, peeking out like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn my computer&#8230;.I had a nice comment typed up, but my stupid computer ate it.  SO instead, I&#8217;ll just say, lovely picture of Pumpernickel&#8230;so adorable, peeking out like that.</p>
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		<title>By: POPs</title>
		<link>https://loafkeeper.com/weblog/?p=132#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[POPs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great pictures. I really enjoy them.

Cabol, Contact your cousin Rob.  He is an avid hunter of deer, elk, turkey, and other game.  He would most likely be happy to help you understand the process and what you would need to get started, if you have the desire to hunt.  He keeps their freezer full.

Love you both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great pictures. I really enjoy them.</p>
<p>Cabol, Contact your cousin Rob.  He is an avid hunter of deer, elk, turkey, and other game.  He would most likely be happy to help you understand the process and what you would need to get started, if you have the desire to hunt.  He keeps their freezer full.</p>
<p>Love you both.</p>
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